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What You Really Mean

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Often in Family Court orders you see Visitation / Access orders that spell out that a divorced dads time with the children will be described as follows:



The father is to have reasonable access as the parties may agree.

That's a really meaningless Court order if there is disagreement and no father should ever agree to it in my view. But way too often most dads have no idea what they are agreeing to. Here's one story from a father speaking with myself and Heidi Nabert that illustrates the point.

It has been a year and a half since I have seen the children because of the fraudulent child support claim of arrears that she filed with the Court. She's denying visitation. The order says: "The father is to have reasonable access as the parties may agree." Do I need an attorney to file something to be able to see his children?

Yes. if you want to end the access denial by the Mom, you will need Court orders.

With a reasonable visitation order she calls all the shots and we just now know what reasonable means As I said, she could have worn me out. I am paying a certain amount every month and but was unable to pay because I was in school for awhile. What's the first step be for a person wanting to see their children in this situation? Do they need an attorney?

Well, it is always advisable to have an attorney. It really comes down to you ought to take a look at what your budget is and how far you are going to be able to get and very often it turns out that these things can go on for such a long time that you can run out of money, so the first place that you need to start is to educate yourself about the rules and the law within the jurisdiction that the child is residing and understanding what that procedure is.

One of the things though that I wanted to just jump in and say though is if he is dealing with a possible arrest warrant and he has got arrears on child support, he really should deal with that probably more so because obviously if he is arrested and put in jail, he is not going to be able to do anything and we see this a lot. If you are in school and unable to pay, the unfortunate thing is it is not like he just fills out a piece of paper that says, "Well, I am in school now and this is how much I am living on. I can't really pay what I was ordered on the original court order." You must go back to court when you need to change your child support.

Usually every time.

The only reason you are going to go back to court is to reduce your child support. This is where guys lost their jobs. They have been laid off or they have been injured or any number of reasons. This is just exactly the time when they do not have the money to go back to court with a lawyer. It kind of defies logic but you need to deal with that. If he has got a legitimate set of circumstances, he needs to get those things taken care of if he does not have that arrest warrant hanging over his head. Now, each state and province has an enforcement agency. I would definitely recommend contacting the enforcement agency and seeing if there is any kind of assistance to help with getting the right document. Even if they are not able to help you fill them out, maybe they can tell you, "Okay, these are the forms you have to fill out." Then try and see if there is some sort of legal assistance office nearby.

There are programs within the court itself.

There can be programs within the court or you might be able to book a couple of hours with an attorney to go over this with you and just say, Look, we don't have a lot of money but we really need some assistance. There are legal clinics. There are some areas where you have maybe even assistance from some local universities and colleges that have a legal program. I do not want you to just give up. I want you to start looking for some resources that may be available in your area. Okay? I really would encourage you to do that.

Absolutely. In the United States, the child support just like here in Canada is taken very, very seriously. Some of the laws can be quite draconian in the US when it comes to child support.

They have child support round-ups where the sheriff goes out and makes arrests of those in arrears of their child support. But getting back to the reasonable visitation order. You need to go back to Court to deal with both issues.

The bottom line is this: This divorced dad needs to vary / reduce child support appropriately and that should be retroactive to the change in income.

If he had no other choice but to go to school, he will do better than if you just quit your job to do that. Judges frown on dads who act that way. All divorced dads MUST pay the support they are capable of earning before doing anything else, unless there is truly no other option.

Second, you need a "specified visitation order" that clearly spells out your time with the child including birthdays and all holiday periods.

Finally if you have the right evidence, you may be able to obtain a police enforcement order that helps you to get the Police assistance if visitation interference / access denial persists.

Education is the key to resolving these problems. And that is exactly what we advocate in all of our articles and teleseminars educating Divorced Dads like you, so you can fulfill the most important role you will ever have the job of being Dad to your child.
What You Really Mean
From this tension between our limited time, one the one hand, and our desire to help those in need, on the others, is sometimes born "check the box" prayers. Do any of the below apply to you?

The "Insurance" Prayer: Immediately after you tell someone you will pray for them, you offer up a quick, "Lord I pray for [name]." You expect you will have more time for specifics later, but just in case, you offer up this quick five-word prayer that lets God know you want something to be done about some problem this person is having. God is God; he can figure the rest out, if you drop the ball.

The "Catch Up" Prayer: Immediately before you talk to someone you previously promised to pray for, you offer up a quick, "Lord I pray for [name]." Again, you don't have much time for specifics, but at least you are being truthful -- and encouraging -- when you tell the person, "I've been praying for you."

The "Just The Facts" Prayer: Somewhat more developed than the two other prayers above, this prayer will usually occur when you have more time, perhaps when you are going through a list of prayers during your regular prayer time. This prayer typically restates the prayer request, as coming from you, "Lord I pray for [name]. I pray that you will [restate here the person's prayer request]."

Is there anything inherently wrong with any of the above prayers? Not necessarily. There is no reason God can't answer these simple prayers. And, it can be encouraging to tell someone you will and/or have been praying for them.

But perhaps some prayer requests, even prayer requests that do not necessarily stir your heart or make you feel emotional, call for a little more. Perhaps God wants you to pray with more specificity or more passion, and then listen and ponder how you might be part of God's answer.

Compare the prayers above with some prayers of the Bible:

Paul's Prayer For The Ephesians: For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name. I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge-that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Ephesians 3:14-21.

Jesus' Prayer For His Followers: My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John 17:15-19

And in a poignant example of a prayer request not taken seriously, consider Jesus' prayer requests to the disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane:

Jesus' Prayer Requests In The Garden of Gethsemane: Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray." He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me." Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter. Matthew 26:36-40.

Can you imagine not taking a prayer request from Jesus seriously? Can you imagine praying a check-the-box prayer -- "God, I pray for Jesus" -- as Jesus was about to pass through his darkest hour?

Consider whether the next prayer request you receive should receive a little more attention, time and, well -- prayer.
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